On May 16, 2024, at 9:36 AM, Ed Christopher <edc@BERWYNED.COM> wrote:Or put another way--The difference between the small areas and county totals is because the Census Bureau cannot (easily, my words) geocode all of the work locations to the Tract, Block Group or Block (including TAZ and TADs) but will code every work location to a county and state. The difference between the TADs and TAZs is more likely due to the CTPP special rounding rules and aggregating rounded values. The fix can be easy, just ID missing workers and allocate them based on best information available. How one chooses to do the allocation is the fun part since it comes down to how hard do you need to justify what you did. Being DC, I would suspect some geographic response concerns. The last work I have seen where someone looked at the distribution of the losses was the folks at the NY City Planning Department when the data first came out.
On 5/15/2024 2:37 PM, Krishnan Viswanathan wrote:
This is due to the workplace allocation issue in Census data. Standard workplace allocation procedures at the Census Bureau imputes only at the county and place level geographies & not below that. In previous iterations of the ACS based CTPP, the Census Bureau did an extended workplace allocation to overcome this difference but did not do so in the 2012-2016 CTPP. Details of how it was done for the 2006-2010 CTPP are here: https://transportation.org/ctpp/datasets/how-to-use-the-data-known-issues-tips-tricks. A more technical writeup is here: https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/working-papers/2013/demo/wp2013-26.pdf
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 1:10 PM James Bunch <jabunch.work@gmail.com> wrote:
We are looking at the CTPP flows in the Washington DC region and notice that they are not the same depending on the level of aggregation (County to County, TAZ to TAZ, TAD to TAD). I presume this is due to the fact that some places can be assigned accurately at the county level but not the TAZ level. Has anyone looked at whether the losses are distributed randomly or if there are patterns, and how to account for the differences? Can we just factor up?
Here is an example:CTPP 2012 - 2016Table A302103
For Charles County internal trips:County to County total trips: 30,065TAD to TAD total trips: 23,745TAZ to TAZ total trips: 23,752
I presume that the small difference at the TAD level vs the TAZ level is due to summation rounding, but maybe there is a slight difference in coverage.
Jim Bunch
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