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Re: [CTPP] FW: Census Bureau News -- Census Bureau Media Advisory Commuting Products to be Embargoed

by Colson

The link is http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/news_conferences/commuting… -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Byrnes Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:39 AM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] FW: Census Bureau News -- Census Bureau Media Advisory Commuting Products to be Embargoed Looking for download site for the co - to co JTW flow data released last night. Please provide link to site. Kevin Byrnes, AICP GWRC -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Imbrogno Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:58 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: [CTPP] FW: Census Bureau News -- Census Bureau Media Advisory Commuting Products to be Embargoed Apologies to all. Meant to forward to folks in-house. Hit "send" before changing the "recipients" field. Chuck Imbrogno -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Imbrogno Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 4:11 PM To: 'ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net' Subject: RE: [CTPP] Census Bureau News -- Census Bureau Media Advisory Commuting Products to be Embargoed Shannon, Chuck: FYI - See bottom of this e-mail chain for the "Media Advisory" from the Census Bureau regarding the Commuter Flow data that Tom Fontaine asked about earlier today. Data was "embargoed" by the Census Bureau. Available to the media at noon today, but not released publicly to everyone else (including us) until midnight tonight. Bob Schwartz should be downloading the file sometime in the morning. Chuck Imbrogno -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Graham, Todd Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:32 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Census Bureau News -- Census Bureau Media Advisory Commuting Products to be Embargoed Census Bureau wil be releasing data and reports on commuting patterns next week. If you have Census PIO embargo access, you'll be able to dig into it as early as Monday afternoon. This is a new product -- so I'm not sure how the data will be structured -- anyone know? Enjoy. --Todd Graham Metropolitan Council Research ________________________________________ From: U.S. Census Bureau [census(a)subscriptions.census.gov] Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Census Bureau News -- **Census Bureau Media Advisory** Commuting Products to be Embargoed FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: FRIDAY, MARCH 1, 2013 Public Information Office CB13-39 301-763-3030 email: <pio(a)census.gov> ***CENSUS BUREAU MEDIA ADVISORY*** Commuting Products to be Embargoed The U.S. Census Bureau's Public Information Office will offer an embargo period next week for members of the media to view a series of commuting products. Statistics will be available for every county in the U.S. showing the number of workers that commute in or out and which counties those commuters travel to and from. Additional reports and tables, based on statistics from the American Community Survey, examine U.S. residents traveling across county and state lines to work. Specifically, the products present U.S. workers who have commutes of 60 minutes or longer and workers who have "mega commutes" of at least 90 minutes and 50 miles. Statistics will also be available for every county in the U.S. that show the number of workers that commute into or out of the county and which counties those commuters travel to and from. The reports and tables will be posted to the Census Bureau's embargo site at noon EST Monday, March 4. The public release will be at 12:01 a.m. EST Tuesday, March 5. Wire and distribution services are prohibited from distributing embargoed news releases and data files to subscribers before the public release date and time. If you are interested in scheduling a radio interview on Tuesday, March 5, please contact the U.S. Census Bureau Public Information Office at 301-763-3030. _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news

9 years, 11 months

[CTPP] Census Bureau News: Commuter-Adjusted Population Estimates: American Community Survey 2006-2010

by Ed Christopher

Attached is the press release on some newly released Census Tables that may be of interest regarding daytime populations. -- Ed Christopher 708-283-3534 (V) 708-574-8131 (cell) FHWA RC-TST-PLN 4749 Lincoln Mall Drive, Suite 600 Matteson, IL 60443

10 years, 10 months

[CTPP] ACS Place of Work Coding Concern

by Charles Baber

In our review of ACS PUMS, we have found what we think is a workplace coding problem and concerned that the coding error will be carried forward into the CTPP. The Census workplace coding problem was identified comparing change in employment estimates between 2000 and 2010 from BEA and BLS compared to Place of Work (POW) coding in Census long form/ACS over the same 10 year period. 2000-2010 BEA 2000-2010 BLS 2000 Census to 2010 ACS Baltimore City -13.4% -13.8% +3.9% Baltimore County +13.3% +2.2% It is important to understand that Baltimore City is an Independent City and is NOT included in Baltimore County. Baltimore City is a county-equivalent. We are wondering if other metropolitan areas are finding results using the ACS workplace coding that are divergent from other employment sources. We are wondering if our problem is mostly due to the city and county having the same name, or if there is some other issue. Detail results from the Baltimore MPO trend analysis follows. The Baltimore MSA in 2010 contained 2.7 million persons within six political subdivisions (five counties [Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Carroll, Harford, and Howard] and one independent city [Baltimore City]). All six political subdivisions have a 2010 population in excess of 100,000, allowing for designation of Public Use Microdata Areas (PUMAs) within each political subdivision for the Baltimore MSA. Our concern in POW coding relates to Baltimore County and the independent City of Baltimore. (Baltimore City is NOT an incorporated City within Baltimore County. Residents of Baltimore City are NOT residents of Baltimore County. The independent City of Baltimore’s political status is equivalent to a county.) Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) nonfarm annual estimates for employment within Baltimore City was reported to have decreased 13.8% (408.4 to 352.0 thousand jobs) between 2000 and 2010. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) table CA25N was used to estimate employment within the Baltimore region’s six political subdivisions. BEA reported a -13.4% reduction in Baltimore City employment between 2000 and 2010. Job growth between 2000 and 2010 was estimated at 13.3% for Baltimore County. An analysis of the 2000 decennial Census long form and 2010 ACS POW coding report contradicting trends compared to those reported in the BEA and BLS estimates. Census 2000 to 2010 POW trend seems reasonable compared to the BEA trend for Anne Arundel, Carroll, Harford and Howard Counties. Baltimore County POW coding results in a 3.9% growth in Census reported primary job locations and Baltimore City Census POW coding results in a 2.2% growth in reported primary job locations. Our concern is that during the review of addresses that do not geocode automatically Baltimore City is receiving Baltimore County reported primary POW locations. We are hoping other urban area analysis of Census POW coding can help focus further analysis. We feel there is an allocation/gecoding issue but are unsure if the error is related to Baltimore City’s status as an independent city or confusion in having a county and city with the same name. Looking forward to hearing from others on analysis of POW coding. Charles M. Baber Principal Transportation Planner Baltimore Metropolitan Council Offices @ McHenry Row 1500 Whetstone Way, Suite 300 Baltimore MD 21230 410-732-0500 Ext. 1056 www.baltometro.org *Confidentiality Statement* This message may contain legally privileged and confidential information that is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not an intended recipient, taking any action based on the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. Please immediately notify the sender if you have received this message in error.

10 years, 10 months

[CTPP] Applications Conference Evaluation

by Andrew Rohne

I apologize for sending this out to lists that probably have a lot of people that did not attend the conference. However, for those that DID attend, if you haven't completed an evaluation of the conference, we'd really appreciate your feedback. Please go to the conference website at http://www.trbappcon.org/survey.aspx and let us know how we can make the next conference better and what we're doing well (so we can keep doing it). We do read all of these and have made changes in each conference based on these evaluations. Thanks! Andrew Rohne TRB Planning Applications Committee Webmaster -- Andrew S. Rohne Transportation Modeling Manager Ohio-Kentucky-Indiana Regional Council of Governments P: 513.621.6300 x115 * arohne(a)oki.org<mailto:arohne(a)oki.org> * @okiAndrew<http://twitter.com/okiAndrew> [cid:image001.png(a)01CE14FA.9E861550] <http://www.oki.org/> [cid:image002.png(a)01CE14FA.9E861550]<http://www.facebook.com/okiregional> [cid:image003.png(a)01CE14FA.9E861550] <http://www.twitter.com/okircog> [cid:image004.png(a)01CE14FA.9E861550] <http://www.youtube.com/okircog>

10 years, 11 months

Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by Rob Case

See ODU analysis of special NHTS add-on for Virginia universities https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5YbcCQfcxM4TE1VRnNKdlVybzA From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net>] On Behalf Of hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net> Subject: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ? I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688. And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel. If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall system !) Any comments ? Hary _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news -- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 office: 248-354-6520 home:248-355-2428 pbecker(a)umich.edu<mailto:pbecker(a)umich.edu>

10 years, 11 months

Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by hprawiranata mitcrpc.org

Everyone, thank you for your reply. Like I said, we have treated MSU campus differently (special generators), we have all data on students and faculties and we have mapped their movements too (student origin and class location and time, faculties/staff home addresses to buildings), parking lots, commuter lots, and student parking permits. I have not looked into group quarters data, just downloaded it. CB put this number not in the correct block group, some block groups are correct, 3 block groups covered student residences, but others are a mixed between city housings with student housings. Big campus block group (I aggregated) has 16 houses and 861 people, found out a block of resident hall with population 818 slipped into this block group. I'm asking this question to know how many people encounters funny number on census data and probably expand this issue to the implications (can ~10k population be considered as a constant in population projection (i think so)?, business/employment (student employment) or traffic impact affected by this population... for 3 months it disappears.. Hary On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Kevin Byrnes <byrnes(a)gwregion.org> wrote: > Block-level data of group qrtrs pop by type is available from the 2010 > Census Advance Group Quarters Summary File (see: > http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/doc/gqsf.pdf) **** > > ** ** > > Since many college students have vehicles parked near their dorms (e.g. at > Michigan State Univ, my alma mater) college student vehicle trips should be > part of the travel demand analysis.**** > > ** ** > > *Kevin F. Byrnes, AICP* > > Director of Regional Planning & Regional Demographer**** > > George Washington Regional Commission (GWRC)**** > > 406 Princess Anne St**** > > Fredericksburg VA 22401**** > > Ph (540) 373-2890 (ext 18)**** > > Fax (540) 899-4808**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto: > ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] *On Behalf Of *Patricia Becker > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:19 PM > *To:* ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net > *Subject:* Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?**** > > ** ** > > You get population but no housing when the entire population is in group > quarters. Leave the GQ out of the vehicles per household calculation, > although it is definitely possible that people in college GQ have vehicles. > > Since you're in Michigan, if you'd like me to help you some more, give me > a call at 248-354-6520. > > Patty Becker**** > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org < > hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org> wrote:**** > > If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how can CB put > population number but no houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly > (20-30 samples), the CB block level data is correct or close, census block > said 12 houses and my parcel data shows the same number.**** > > ** ** > > I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for > calculating number of vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and > address removed) vehicle registrations only zip for location). University, > Colleges are not included (special generators). I just found out strange > campus population at block level and I'm wondering the implications.**** > > ** ** > > For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high > population (dorms) and it is wrong. **** > > ** ** > > Hary**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM, <Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov> wrote:**** > > Hary – do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in the > wrong location? Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups?**** > > **** > > Elaine Murakami**** > > 206-220-4460**** > > **** > > *From:* ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto: > ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] *On Behalf Of *hprawiranata mitcrpc.org > *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM > *To:* ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net > *Subject:* [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?**** > > **** > > I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but > this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), > 10,688.**** > > **** > > And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block > result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd > but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or > a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of > people live at MSU tunnel.**** > > **** > > If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census > 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on > campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the > nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !)**** > > **** > > Any comments ?**** > > **** > > Hary**** > > **** > > **** > > > _______________________________________________ > ctpp-news mailing list > ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net > http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news**** > > ** ** > > > _______________________________________________ > ctpp-news mailing list > ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net > http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news**** > > > > > -- **** > > Patricia C. (Patty) Becker > APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) > 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 > office: 248-354-6520 > home:248-355-2428 > pbecker(a)umich.edu **** > > _______________________________________________ > ctpp-news mailing list > ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net > http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news > >

10 years, 11 months

Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by John Hodges-Copple

Universities can usually provide you with a count of how many on-campus students in group quarters have vehicles, via their permit issuances. Many on-campus students do have vehicles depending on the university. John Hodges-Copple Director of Regional Planning Triangle J Council of Governments PO Box 12276 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 919-558-9320 mailto:johnhc(a)tjcog.org / Home - TJCOG<http://www.tjcog.org/> Street Address: 4307 Emperor Blvd. Durham, NC 27703 From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Patricia Becker Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:19 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ? You get population but no housing when the entire population is in group quarters. Leave the GQ out of the vehicles per household calculation, although it is definitely possible that people in college GQ have vehicles. Since you're in Michigan, if you'd like me to help you some more, give me a call at 248-354-6520. Patty Becker On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org> <hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org<mailto:hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org>> wrote: If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how can CB put population number but no houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly (20-30 samples), the CB block level data is correct or close, census block said 12 houses and my parcel data shows the same number. I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for calculating number of vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and address removed) vehicle registrations only zip for location). University, Colleges are not included (special generators). I just found out strange campus population at block level and I'm wondering the implications. For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high population (dorms) and it is wrong. Hary On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM, <Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov<mailto:Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov>> wrote: Hary - do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in the wrong location? Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups? Elaine Murakami 206-220-4460<tel:206-220-4460> From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net>] On Behalf Of hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net> Subject: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ? I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688. And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel. If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall system !) Any comments ? Hary _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news -- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 office: 248-354-6520 home:248-355-2428 pbecker(a)umich.edu<mailto:pbecker(a)umich.edu> E-Mail correspondence to and from this address is subject to the North Carolina Public Records Act and may be disclosed to third parties unless made confidential under applicable law.

10 years, 11 months

Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by Kevin Byrnes

Block-level data of group qrtrs pop by type is available from the 2010 Census Advance Group Quarters Summary File (see: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/doc/gqsf.pdf) Since many college students have vehicles parked near their dorms (e.g. at Michigan State Univ, my alma mater) college student vehicle trips should be part of the travel demand analysis. Kevin F. Byrnes, AICP Director of Regional Planning & Regional Demographer George Washington Regional Commission (GWRC) 406 Princess Anne St Fredericksburg VA 22401 Ph (540) 373-2890 (ext 18) Fax (540) 899-4808 From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Patricia Becker Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:19 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ? You get population but no housing when the entire population is in group quarters. Leave the GQ out of the vehicles per household calculation, although it is definitely possible that people in college GQ have vehicles. Since you're in Michigan, if you'd like me to help you some more, give me a call at 248-354-6520. Patty Becker On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org> <hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org<mailto:hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org>> wrote: If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how can CB put population number but no houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly (20-30 samples), the CB block level data is correct or close, census block said 12 houses and my parcel data shows the same number. I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for calculating number of vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and address removed) vehicle registrations only zip for location). University, Colleges are not included (special generators). I just found out strange campus population at block level and I'm wondering the implications. For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high population (dorms) and it is wrong. Hary On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM, <Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov<mailto:Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov>> wrote: Hary - do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in the wrong location? Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups? Elaine Murakami 206-220-4460<tel:206-220-4460> From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net>] On Behalf Of hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net> Subject: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ? I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688. And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel. If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall system !) Any comments ? Hary _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news -- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 office: 248-354-6520 home:248-355-2428 pbecker(a)umich.edu<mailto:pbecker(a)umich.edu>

10 years, 11 months

Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by Patricia Becker

You get population but no housing when the entire population is in group quarters. Leave the GQ out of the vehicles per household calculation, although it is definitely possible that people in college GQ have vehicles. Since you're in Michigan, if you'd like me to help you some more, give me a call at 248-354-6520. Patty Becker On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org < hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org> wrote: > If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how can CB put > population number but no houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly > (20-30 samples), the CB block level data is correct or close, census block > said 12 houses and my parcel data shows the same number. > > I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for > calculating number of vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and > address removed) vehicle registrations only zip for location). University, > Colleges are not included (special generators). I just found out strange > campus population at block level and I'm wondering the implications. > > For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high > population (dorms) and it is wrong. > > Hary > > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM, <Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov> wrote: > >> Hary – do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in >> the wrong location? Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Elaine Murakami**** >> >> 206-220-4460**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto: >> ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] *On Behalf Of *hprawiranata mitcrpc.org >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM >> *To:* ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net >> *Subject:* [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 >> but this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their >> parents), 10,688.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block >> result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd >> but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or >> a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of >> people live at MSU tunnel.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census >> 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on >> campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the >> nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Any comments ?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hary**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ctpp-news mailing list >> ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net >> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > ctpp-news mailing list > ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net > http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news > > -- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 office: 248-354-6520 home:248-355-2428 pbecker(a)umich.edu

10 years, 11 months

Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by Ali Bonakdar

I was wondering if you knew that the Census counts dormitory population as Group Quarters, the same as prison population, army barracks, manors and so forth.. Ali Bonakdar, AICP Director Corvallis Area Metropolitan Planning Organization 301 SW. 4th Street, #240 Corvallis, OR 97333 Ph: (541) 758-1911 Fax: (541) 758-1903 Email: abonakda(a)ocwcog.org<mailto:abonakda(a)ocwcog.org> Web: www.corvallisareampo.org<http://www.corvallisareampo.org/> Note: Per the applicable federal and state laws, all correspondence is public information. From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Patricia Becker Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:52 AM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ? It may be that all the dorms got geocoded to the University's residence hall office. Wouldn't be the first time that happened. Extremely annoying! Patty Becker On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:43 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org> <hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org<mailto:hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org>> wrote: I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688. And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel. If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall system !) Any comments ? Hary _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news -- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 office: 248-354-6520 home:248-355-2428 pbecker(a)umich.edu<mailto:pbecker(a)umich.edu>

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