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[CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question (follow-up summary #1)

by Ken.Cervenka＠dot.gov

Hello, Shown below my December 11 email to the CTPP listserv are all responses I have received so far (either emails directly to me, or emails that were sent to the listserv). If I left anyone out, or made any mistake in copying your original response, I assure you that was not intentional. Here at FTA we thought most analysts these days (as well as transit riders) would prefer to think of modern light rail systems as providing a level of service in terms of speed to riders that is much closer to that of traditional "subway systems," and therefore clearly distinguishable from either "streetcars" or "modern streetcars." But several commenters are specifically noting "light rail" fits better with the streetcar category, so this deserves some careful consideration of the pros and cons. Thanks to EVERYONE who has responded, and by all means I encourage you to provide additional comments, either about the location for "light rail" or anything else about the "means of transportation" question that inspires you to write. If more comments are received, I plan to send out another summary of all responses next week to the CTPP listserv. I also plan to send the next summary to the TMIP listserv, for even further deliberations from the Census user community prior to U.S. DOT's preparation in early 2013 of a formal proposal for an "ACS Content Change" test. Sincerely, Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning and Environment ********************************** -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Cervenka Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:24 PM Hello, As you may know, the Census Bureau's "means of transportation" question on the current American Community Survey questionnaire (as well as the previous Census 2000 "long form") is as follows: How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X) the box of the one used for most of the distance. __ Car, truck, or van __ Bus or trolley bus __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad __ Ferryboat __ Taxicab __ Motorcycle __ Bicycle __ Walked __ Worked at home __ Other method Here at U.S. DOT, we (meaning FTA, FHWA, and BTS) are discussing whether updated descriptions might make more sense for the three public transportation categories associated with use of rail: __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad However, any changes to these three categories (or even collapsing these to a single "rail transit" category) will, if ultimately approved for testing, require a formal and carefully-controlled "ACS content change" test to be conducted by the Census Bureau in 2013 and 2014. So this is a very big deal. If three rail-related categories are maintained, here is one approach under consideration for future testing: __ Streetcar or trolley rail __ Subway, metro, or light rail __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak Or maybe a variation that makes it clear(er) each of these choices refer to a rail transit mode: __ Rail - streetcar or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak If you have any comments about what seems to make the most sense from the viewpoint of a future ACS respondent and/or transportation data analyst, please send me an email and I will summarize all comments received in a future email to this listserv (along with your name as the author, unless you wish to be anonymous). But feel free to reply directly to this listserv with your observations! ***************** From: Krishnan Viswanathan I personally like the second classification: __ Rail - streetcar or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak My reasons are the following: 1) As a survey respondent it removes the confusion regd. what to answer faced with this question. A regular respondent will say that they take the train, they do not distinguish between subway/light rail vs commuter rail and calling it out in this manner - where we we have rail broken into subcategories will help the respondent choose the right type of rail. 2) As an analyst, having this classification makes it easier to compare across and within modes and geographies. What i mean is this - lets say we did not distinguish that these are 3 rail modes which are classified further as streetcar/light/commuter and geog A has all 3 rail modes available, geog B has only 2 rail modes, and geog C has only one rail mode available. Doing this classification allows the analyst to determine that in all 3 geographies, when a respondent choice is one common mode, it means the same thing and not different things to different respondents in different geographies. It will also allow for better mode choice estimation if the nest definitions are directly from the survey data and not solely reliant on analyst judgement. Further, when looking at results/doing studies later on it might be easier to consider what the aggregate rail mode comprises of when compared to auto and bus. ***************** From: Wendell Cox Light rail does not belong with subway and metro. It belongs with trolley or street car. Other than that either of the two alternatives would be fine. But if light rail is to be twinned with metro, better to stay with what we have. ***************** From: Patricia Becker This is going to be very difficult to test because so few ACS respondents have access to any of these. Does the word "metro" mean the same thing in all metro areas, or are there some where it refers to bus transportation? I'm not sure the term "rail" resonates well everywhere, either. I would suggest that FDOT gather information from the states and metros where rail commuting is a feasible option and find out what people call it, or how it's referred to, such as "metro" in the Washington DC areas. ***************** From: Barb Mee I am not responding as a professional because I am neither a data nor a transit pro. I do answer census questions when asked though, and really like the rail - ... approach. I wonder if elevated ought to stay in the description, though. While I think the only remaining el is in Chicago, I imagine lots and lots of folks use it, and it seems like it's worth it to get the right answer. ***************** From: Wendell Cox [In response to Patricia Becker's comment] metro (didnt capitalize, because it refers in this context to a type of rail system, not a name of a rail system) is the international term but not used extensively in this country. Probably the best term is subway/elevated. The point is that metros/subways and elevates are fully grade separated, and faster... as opposed to light rail, which is rarely, if ever, fully grade separated and thus is generally slower and has much lower capacities. ***************** From: Steve Polzin Glad you are looking at this. I like the idea of adding light rail. In the new start locations this is commonly known by the public as light rail. I do think it fits better with streetcar and trolley. Since the question refers to last week it is almost certainly travel in their home town (unless they were out of town for the majority of the week) so one could set up logic checks to test the reasonableness of the responses. I wish they would also shift to asking about the mode on the most recent day they commuted to work. Transit is more commonly an occasional mode (compared to auto) and hence it is not uncommon for folks to use it a few time per week but not the majority and very common for folks to have it as a normal mode but not exclusive mode leading to some overstating of transit commuting use. NHTS confirms a significant difference between actual and usual mode for transit. Would be nice to shift to actual travel day mode. ***************** From: Andrew Rohne I like the second classification, but I want "metro" (whether capitalized or not) stricken from it. Our bus system has "Go*Metro" all over the sides of their busses, and a fairly decent proportion of their riders may not understand that metro = subway on the form, I wouldn't want them confused. ***************** From: Tom Worker-Braddock [In response to Andrew Rohne's comment] Agreed on removing the word "metro". A wide variety of non-rail transit systems incorporate the word "metro" or "Metro" into their branding or service schemes. The Kansas City transportation authority extensively brands itself as "The Metro", but doesn't have a single rail component in the system (although some are being planned). ***************** From: Rob Case I think it best to clarify what exists today, as opposed to creating "new" categories, in order that comparisons may be made (albeit with caveats) to the past. Therefore, I think that light rail is often a "street" mode and most users would have been answering "Streetcar or trolley rail" because they all ride in the street. And, like Krishnan, for clarity, I like the use of "Rail - " as a prefix. So, placing the most frequent answers first in the list within each response, I'm in favor of: __ Rail - light rail, streetcar, or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or elevated __ Rail - commuter rail or Amtrak PS It's sort of picky, but I think "commuter rail" is more common and more accurate than "commuter railroad" (the actual "railroad" can be owned by one company and used by it for freight, by Amtrak, and by a commuter rail outfit). ***************** From: Arash Mirzaei It does not seem too difficult to collect all the names used for all transit modes in the country before any suggestion is extended to ACS office. After all, these transit modes are provided by transit agencies and they know, as providers, what their modes are. The result would be a list of transit service names and the modes. This product provides an objective source of data for making a recommendation. If printing costs are not prohibitive, a more advanced way of using the above list would be in the contextual design of the ACS form. More meaningful terms can be used for each region in which the ACS is being conducted. So, the form offers most possible modes with locally familiar names based on the location of the respondent. ***************** From: Mike Harmon I think the use of vans (Vanpools) needs to be separated from the other options since their use is increasing so much. ***************** From: Alan Pisarski [In response to Mike Harmon's comment about vans (Vanpools)] A really intriguing idea. a little complicated but still worth considering. *****************

12 years, 8 months

Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question

by Mike Harmon

I think the use of vans (Vanpools) needs to be separated from the other options since their use is increasing so much. Michael Harmon Program Coordinator San Luis Obispo Council of Governments (SLOCOG) mharmon(a)slocog.org<mailto:mharmon(a)slocog.org> From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Patricia Becker Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:46 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question This is going to be very difficult to test because so few ACS respondents have access to any of these. Does the word "metro" mean the same thing in all metro areas, or are there some where it refers to bus transportation? I'm not sure the term "rail" resonates well everywhere, either. I would suggest that FDOT gather information from the states and metros where rail commuting is a feasible option and find out what people call it, or how it's referred to, such as "metro" in the Washington DC areas. Patty Becker On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM, <Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov<mailto:Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov>> wrote: Hello, As you may know, the Census Bureau's "means of transportation" question on the current American Community Survey questionnaire (as well as the previous Census 2000 "long form") is as follows: How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X) the box of the one used for most of the distance. __ Car, truck, or van __ Bus or trolley bus __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad __ Ferryboat __ Taxicab __ Motorcycle __ Bicycle __ Walked __ Worked at home __ Other method Here at U.S. DOT, we (meaning FTA, FHWA, and BTS) are discussing whether updated descriptions might make more sense for the three public transportation categories associated with use of rail: __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad However, any changes to these three categories (or even collapsing these to a single "rail transit" category) will, if ultimately approved for testing, require a formal and carefully-controlled "ACS content change" test to be conducted by the Census Bureau in 2013 and 2014. So this is a very big deal. If three rail-related categories are maintained, here is one approach under consideration for future testing: __ Streetcar or trolley rail __ Subway, metro, or light rail __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak Or maybe a variation that makes it clear(er) each of these choices refer to a rail transit mode: __ Rail - streetcar or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak If you have any comments about what seems to make the most sense from the viewpoint of a future ACS respondent and/or transportation data analyst, please send me an email and I will summarize all comments received in a future email to this listserv (along with your name as the author, unless you wish to be anonymous). But feel free to reply directly to this listserv with your observations! Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning and Environment 202/493-0512<tel:202%2F493-0512> _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news -- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 office: 248-354-6520 home:248-355-2428 pbecker(a)umich.edu<mailto:pbecker(a)umich.edu>

12 years, 8 months

Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question

by Arash Mirzaei

It does not seem too difficult to collect all the names used for all transit modes in the country before any suggestion is extended to ACS office. After all, these transit modes are provided by transit agencies and they know, as providers, what their modes are. The result would be a list of transit service names and the modes. This product provides an objective source of data for making a recommendation. If printing costs are not prohibitive, a more advanced way of using the above list would be in the contextual design of the ACS form. More meaningful terms can be used for each region in which the ACS is being conducted. So, the form offers most possible modes with locally familiar names based on the location of the respondent. Arash Mirzaei, P.E. | Senior Rprogram Manager Model Development and Data Management | NCTCOG Tel: (817) 695-9261 | Fax: (817) 640-3028 | Email: amirzaei(a)nctcog.org -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:24 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question Hello, As you may know, the Census Bureau's "means of transportation" question on the current American Community Survey questionnaire (as well as the previous Census 2000 "long form") is as follows: How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X) the box of the one used for most of the distance. __ Car, truck, or van __ Bus or trolley bus __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad __ Ferryboat __ Taxicab __ Motorcycle __ Bicycle __ Walked __ Worked at home __ Other method Here at U.S. DOT, we (meaning FTA, FHWA, and BTS) are discussing whether updated descriptions might make more sense for the three public transportation categories associated with use of rail: __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad However, any changes to these three categories (or even collapsing these to a single "rail transit" category) will, if ultimately approved for testing, require a formal and carefully-controlled "ACS content change" test to be conducted by the Census Bureau in 2013 and 2014. So this is a very big deal. If three rail-related categories are maintained, here is one approach under consideration for future testing: __ Streetcar or trolley rail __ Subway, metro, or light rail __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak Or maybe a variation that makes it clear(er) each of these choices refer to a rail transit mode: __ Rail - streetcar or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak If you have any comments about what seems to make the most sense from the viewpoint of a future ACS respondent and/or transportation data analyst, please send me an email and I will summarize all comments received in a future email to this listserv (along with your name as the author, unless you wish to be anonymous). But feel free to reply directly to this listserv with your observations! Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning and Environment 202/493-0512 _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news

12 years, 8 months

Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question

by Tom Worker-Braddock

Agreed on removing the word "metro". A wide variety of non-rail transit systems incorporate the word "metro" or "Metro" into their branding or service schemes. The Kansas City transportation authority extensively brands itself as "The Metro", but doesn't have a single rail component in the system (although some are being planned). Thanks, Tom Tom Worker-Braddock | Transportation Planning & Transit |Olsson Associates TEL 913.381.1170 | DIR 913.748.2619 | tworkerbraddock(a)olssonassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Rohne Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:29 AM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question I like the second classification, but I want "metro" (whether capitalized or not) stricken from it. Our bus system has "Go*Metro" all over the sides of their busses, and a fairly decent proportion of their riders may not understand that metro = subway on the form, I wouldn't want them confused. __ Streetcar or trolley rail __ Subway or light rail __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak Andrew Rohne OKI Regional Council -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:24 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question Hello, As you may know, the Census Bureau's "means of transportation" question on the current American Community Survey questionnaire (as well as the previous Census 2000 "long form") is as follows: How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X) the box of the one used for most of the distance. __ Car, truck, or van __ Bus or trolley bus __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad __ Ferryboat __ Taxicab __ Motorcycle __ Bicycle __ Walked __ Worked at home __ Other method Here at U.S. DOT, we (meaning FTA, FHWA, and BTS) are discussing whether updated descriptions might make more sense for the three public transportation categories associated with use of rail: __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad However, any changes to these three categories (or even collapsing these to a single "rail transit" category) will, if ultimately approved for testing, require a formal and carefully-controlled "ACS content change" test to be conducted by the Census Bureau in 2013 and 2014. So this is a very big deal. If three rail-related categories are maintained, here is one approach under consideration for future testing: __ Streetcar or trolley rail __ Subway, metro, or light rail __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak Or maybe a variation that makes it clear(er) each of these choices refer to a rail transit mode: __ Rail - streetcar or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak If you have any comments about what seems to make the most sense from the viewpoint of a future ACS respondent and/or transportation data analyst, please send me an email and I will summarize all comments received in a future email to this listserv (along with your name as the author, unless you wish to be anonymous). But feel free to reply directly to this listserv with your observations! Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning and Environment 202/493-0512 _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news

12 years, 8 months

Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question

by Andrew Rohne

I like the second classification, but I want "metro" (whether capitalized or not) stricken from it. Our bus system has "Go*Metro" all over the sides of their busses, and a fairly decent proportion of their riders may not understand that metro = subway on the form, I wouldn't want them confused. __ Streetcar or trolley rail __ Subway or light rail __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak Andrew Rohne OKI Regional Council -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:24 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question Hello, As you may know, the Census Bureau's "means of transportation" question on the current American Community Survey questionnaire (as well as the previous Census 2000 "long form") is as follows: How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X) the box of the one used for most of the distance. __ Car, truck, or van __ Bus or trolley bus __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad __ Ferryboat __ Taxicab __ Motorcycle __ Bicycle __ Walked __ Worked at home __ Other method Here at U.S. DOT, we (meaning FTA, FHWA, and BTS) are discussing whether updated descriptions might make more sense for the three public transportation categories associated with use of rail: __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad However, any changes to these three categories (or even collapsing these to a single "rail transit" category) will, if ultimately approved for testing, require a formal and carefully-controlled "ACS content change" test to be conducted by the Census Bureau in 2013 and 2014. So this is a very big deal. If three rail-related categories are maintained, here is one approach under consideration for future testing: __ Streetcar or trolley rail __ Subway, metro, or light rail __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak Or maybe a variation that makes it clear(er) each of these choices refer to a rail transit mode: __ Rail - streetcar or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak If you have any comments about what seems to make the most sense from the viewpoint of a future ACS respondent and/or transportation data analyst, please send me an email and I will summarize all comments received in a future email to this listserv (along with your name as the author, unless you wish to be anonymous). But feel free to reply directly to this listserv with your observations! Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning and Environment 202/493-0512 _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news

12 years, 8 months

Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question

by Polzin

Glad you are looking at this. I like the idea of adding light rail. In the new start locations this is commonly known by the public as light rail. I do think it fits better with streetcar and trolley. Since the question refers to last week it is almost certainly travel in their home town (unless they were out of town for the majority of the week) so one could set up logic checks to test the reasonableness of the responses. I wish they would also shift to asking about the mode on the most recent day they commuted to work. Transit is more commonly an occasional mode (compared to auto) and hence it is not uncommon for folks to use it a few time per week but not the majority and very common for folks to have it as a normal mode but not exclusive mode leading to some overstating of transit commuting use. NHTS confirms a significant difference between actual and usual mode for transit. Would be nice to shift to actual travel day mode. Steven E. Polzin, PhD Director, Mobility Policy Center for Urban Transportation Research polzin(a)cutr.usf.edu<mailto:polzin(a)cutr.usf.edu> (813) 974-9849 (w) 813 416-7517 (c) http://www.cutr.usf.edu/about/about_subscribe.shtml -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:24 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question Hello, As you may know, the Census Bureau's "means of transportation" question on the current American Community Survey questionnaire (as well as the previous Census 2000 "long form") is as follows: How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X) the box of the one used for most of the distance. __ Car, truck, or van __ Bus or trolley bus __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad __ Ferryboat __ Taxicab __ Motorcycle __ Bicycle __ Walked __ Worked at home __ Other method Here at U.S. DOT, we (meaning FTA, FHWA, and BTS) are discussing whether updated descriptions might make more sense for the three public transportation categories associated with use of rail: __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad However, any changes to these three categories (or even collapsing these to a single "rail transit" category) will, if ultimately approved for testing, require a formal and carefully-controlled "ACS content change" test to be conducted by the Census Bureau in 2013 and 2014. So this is a very big deal. If three rail-related categories are maintained, here is one approach under consideration for future testing: __ Streetcar or trolley rail __ Subway, metro, or light rail __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak Or maybe a variation that makes it clear(er) each of these choices refer to a rail transit mode: __ Rail - streetcar or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak If you have any comments about what seems to make the most sense from the viewpoint of a future ACS respondent and/or transportation data analyst, please send me an email and I will summarize all comments received in a future email to this listserv (along with your name as the author, unless you wish to be anonymous). But feel free to reply directly to this listserv with your observations! Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning and Environment 202/493-0512 _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news

12 years, 8 months

Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question

by wendell cox

metro (didnt capitalize, because it refers in this context to a type of rail system, not a name of a rail system) is the international term but not used extensively in this country. Probably the best term is subway/elevated. The point is that metros/subways and elevates are fully grade separated, and faster... as opposed to light rail, which is rarely, if ever, fully grade separated and thus is generally slower and has much lower capacities. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Patricia Becker <pbecker(a)umich.edu> wrote: > This is going to be very difficult to test because so few ACS respondents > have access to any of these. Does the word "metro" mean the same thing in > all metro areas, or are there some where it refers to bus transportation? > I'm not sure the term "rail" resonates well everywhere, either. I would > suggest that FDOT gather information from the states and metros where rail > commuting is a feasible option and find out what people call it, or how > it's referred to, such as "metro" in the Washington DC areas. > > Patty Becker > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM, <Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> As you may know, the Census Bureau's "means of transportation" question >> on the current American Community Survey questionnaire (as well as the >> previous Census 2000 "long form") is as follows: >> >> How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person >> usually used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark >> (X) the box of the one used for most of the distance. >> __ Car, truck, or van >> __ Bus or trolley bus >> __ Streetcar or trolley car >> __ Subway or elevated >> __ Railroad >> __ Ferryboat >> __ Taxicab >> __ Motorcycle >> __ Bicycle >> __ Walked >> __ Worked at home >> __ Other method >> >> Here at U.S. DOT, we (meaning FTA, FHWA, and BTS) are discussing whether >> updated descriptions might make more sense for the three public >> transportation categories associated with use of rail: >> __ Streetcar or trolley car >> __ Subway or elevated >> __ Railroad >> >> However, any changes to these three categories (or even collapsing these >> to a single "rail transit" category) will, if ultimately approved for >> testing, require a formal and carefully-controlled "ACS content change" >> test to be conducted by the Census Bureau in 2013 and 2014. So this is a >> very big deal. If three rail-related categories are maintained, here is >> one approach under consideration for future testing: >> __ Streetcar or trolley rail >> __ Subway, metro, or light rail >> __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak >> >> Or maybe a variation that makes it clear(er) each of these choices refer >> to a rail transit mode: >> __ Rail - streetcar or trolley >> __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail >> __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak >> >> If you have any comments about what seems to make the most sense from the >> viewpoint of a future ACS respondent and/or transportation data analyst, >> please send me an email and I will summarize all comments received in a >> future email to this listserv (along with your name as the author, unless >> you wish to be anonymous). But feel free to reply directly to this >> listserv with your observations! >> >> Ken Cervenka >> FTA Office of Planning and Environment >> 202/493-0512 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ctpp-news mailing list >> ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net >> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news >> > > > > -- > Patricia C. (Patty) Becker > APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) > 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 > office: 248-354-6520 > home:248-355-2428 > pbecker(a)umich.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > ctpp-news mailing list > ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net > http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news > > -- -- Wendell Cox +1.618 632 8507 Demographia | Wendell Cox Consultancy - St. Louis Missouri-Illinois MSA Visiting Professor, Conservatoire National des Arts et Metiers, Paris Contributing Editor newgeography.com <http://www.newgeography.com/> www.demographia.com | www.publicpurpose.com | www.rentalcartours.net BOOKS & PUBLICATIONS *War on the Dream *demographia.com/wod1.pdf<http://www.demographia.com/wod1.pdf> *International Housing Affordability Survey *demographia.com/dhi.pdf<http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf> *The Wal-Mart Revolution *(with Richard Vedder) *Demographia World Urban Areas *demographia.com/worldua.pdf<http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf>

12 years, 8 months

Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question

by Patricia Becker

This is going to be very difficult to test because so few ACS respondents have access to any of these. Does the word "metro" mean the same thing in all metro areas, or are there some where it refers to bus transportation? I'm not sure the term "rail" resonates well everywhere, either. I would suggest that FDOT gather information from the states and metros where rail commuting is a feasible option and find out what people call it, or how it's referred to, such as "metro" in the Washington DC areas. Patty Becker On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM, <Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov> wrote: > Hello, > > As you may know, the Census Bureau's "means of transportation" question on > the current American Community Survey questionnaire (as well as the > previous Census 2000 "long form") is as follows: > > How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually > used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X) the > box of the one used for most of the distance. > __ Car, truck, or van > __ Bus or trolley bus > __ Streetcar or trolley car > __ Subway or elevated > __ Railroad > __ Ferryboat > __ Taxicab > __ Motorcycle > __ Bicycle > __ Walked > __ Worked at home > __ Other method > > Here at U.S. DOT, we (meaning FTA, FHWA, and BTS) are discussing whether > updated descriptions might make more sense for the three public > transportation categories associated with use of rail: > __ Streetcar or trolley car > __ Subway or elevated > __ Railroad > > However, any changes to these three categories (or even collapsing these > to a single "rail transit" category) will, if ultimately approved for > testing, require a formal and carefully-controlled "ACS content change" > test to be conducted by the Census Bureau in 2013 and 2014. So this is a > very big deal. If three rail-related categories are maintained, here is > one approach under consideration for future testing: > __ Streetcar or trolley rail > __ Subway, metro, or light rail > __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak > > Or maybe a variation that makes it clear(er) each of these choices refer > to a rail transit mode: > __ Rail - streetcar or trolley > __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail > __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak > > If you have any comments about what seems to make the most sense from the > viewpoint of a future ACS respondent and/or transportation data analyst, > please send me an email and I will summarize all comments received in a > future email to this listserv (along with your name as the author, unless > you wish to be anonymous). But feel free to reply directly to this > listserv with your observations! > > Ken Cervenka > FTA Office of Planning and Environment > 202/493-0512 > > > _______________________________________________ > ctpp-news mailing list > ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net > http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news > -- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 office: 248-354-6520 home:248-355-2428 pbecker(a)umich.edu

12 years, 8 months

Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question

by Rob Case

Ken, I think it best to clarify what exists today, as opposed to creating "new" categories, in order that comparisons may be made (albeit with caveats) to the past. Therefore, I think that light rail is often a "street" mode and most users would have been answering "Streetcar or trolley rail" because they all ride in the street. And, like Krishnan, for clarity, I like the use of "Rail - " as a prefix. So, placing the most frequent answers first in the list within each response, I'm in favor of: __ Rail - light rail, streetcar, or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or elevated __ Rail - commuter rail or Amtrak Rob PS It's sort of picky, but I think "commuter rail" is more common and more accurate than "commuter railroad" (the actual "railroad" can be owned by one company and used by it for freight, by Amtrak, and by a commuter rail outfit). Robert B. Case, PE, PTOE Principal Transportation Engineer Hampton Roads Transportation Planning Organization The Regional Building, 723 Woodlake Dr, Chesapeake, VA 23320 rcase(a)hrtpo.org| http://www.hrtpo.org| Phone: 757.420.8300 | Fax: 757.523.4881 All email correspondence to and from this address is subject to the Virginia Freedom of Information Act and to the Virginia Public Records Act, which may result in monitoring and disclosure to third parties, including law enforcement. -----Original Message----- From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:24 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question Hello, As you may know, the Census Bureau's "means of transportation" question on the current American Community Survey questionnaire (as well as the previous Census 2000 "long form") is as follows: How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X) the box of the one used for most of the distance. __ Car, truck, or van __ Bus or trolley bus __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad __ Ferryboat __ Taxicab __ Motorcycle __ Bicycle __ Walked __ Worked at home __ Other method Here at U.S. DOT, we (meaning FTA, FHWA, and BTS) are discussing whether updated descriptions might make more sense for the three public transportation categories associated with use of rail: __ Streetcar or trolley car __ Subway or elevated __ Railroad However, any changes to these three categories (or even collapsing these to a single "rail transit" category) will, if ultimately approved for testing, require a formal and carefully-controlled "ACS content change" test to be conducted by the Census Bureau in 2013 and 2014. So this is a very big deal. If three rail-related categories are maintained, here is one approach under consideration for future testing: __ Streetcar or trolley rail __ Subway, metro, or light rail __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak Or maybe a variation that makes it clear(er) each of these choices refer to a rail transit mode: __ Rail - streetcar or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak If you have any comments about what seems to make the most sense from the viewpoint of a future ACS respondent and/or transportation data analyst, please send me an email and I will summarize all comments received in a future email to this listserv (along with your name as the author, unless you wish to be anonymous). But feel free to reply directly to this listserv with your observations! Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning and Environment 202/493-0512 _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news

12 years, 8 months

Re: [CTPP] American Commuter Survey (ACS): The Means of Transportation Question

by Krishnan Viswanathan

I personally like the second classification: __ Rail - streetcar or trolley __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak My reasons are the following: 1) As a survey respondent it removes the confusion regd. what to answer faced with this question. A regular respondent will say that they take the train, they do not distinguish between subway/light rail vs commuter rail and calling it out in this manner - where we we have rail broken into subcategories will help the respondent choose the right type of rail. 2) As an analyst, having this classification makes it easier to compare across and within modes and geographies. What i mean is this - lets say we did not distinguish that these are 3 rail modes which are classified further as streetcar/light/commuter and geog A has all 3 rail modes available, geog B has only 2 rail modes, and geog C has only one rail mode available. Doing this classification allows the analyst to determine that in all 3 geographies, when a respondent choice is one common mode, it means the same thing and not different things to different respondents in different geographies. It will also allow for better mode choice estimation if the nest definitions are directly from the survey data and not solely reliant on analyst judgement. Further, when looking at results/doing studies later on it might be easier to consider what the aggregate rail mode comprises of when compared to auto and bus. Krishnan On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:23 PM, <Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov> wrote: > Hello, > > As you may know, the Census Bureau's "means of transportation" question on > the current American Community Survey questionnaire (as well as the > previous Census 2000 "long form") is as follows: > > How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually > used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X) the > box of the one used for most of the distance. > __ Car, truck, or van > __ Bus or trolley bus > __ Streetcar or trolley car > __ Subway or elevated > __ Railroad > __ Ferryboat > __ Taxicab > __ Motorcycle > __ Bicycle > __ Walked > __ Worked at home > __ Other method > > Here at U.S. DOT, we (meaning FTA, FHWA, and BTS) are discussing whether > updated descriptions might make more sense for the three public > transportation categories associated with use of rail: > __ Streetcar or trolley car > __ Subway or elevated > __ Railroad > > However, any changes to these three categories (or even collapsing these > to a single "rail transit" category) will, if ultimately approved for > testing, require a formal and carefully-controlled "ACS content change" > test to be conducted by the Census Bureau in 2013 and 2014. So this is a > very big deal. If three rail-related categories are maintained, here is > one approach under consideration for future testing: > __ Streetcar or trolley rail > __ Subway, metro, or light rail > __ Commuter railroad or Amtrak > > Or maybe a variation that makes it clear(er) each of these choices refer > to a rail transit mode: > __ Rail - streetcar or trolley > __ Rail - subway, metro, or light rail > __ Rail - commuter railroad or Amtrak > > If you have any comments about what seems to make the most sense from the > viewpoint of a future ACS respondent and/or transportation data analyst, > please send me an email and I will summarize all comments received in a > future email to this listserv (along with your name as the author, unless > you wish to be anonymous). But feel free to reply directly to this > listserv with your observations! > > Ken Cervenka > FTA Office of Planning and Environment > 202/493-0512 > > > _______________________________________________ > ctpp-news mailing list > ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net > http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news > -- Krishnan Viswanathan 5628 Burnside Circle Tallahassee FL 32312

12 years, 8 months

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