I would appreciate your paper please Patty. I was curious what others thought of the continuity as well as it would seem to limit some city planners From: Patricia Becker <pbecker(a)umich.edu> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 11:22 AM To: Reardon, Tim <TReardon(a)mapc.org> Cc: sdc_mlist(a)lists.berkeley.edu; ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net; joshua.wixom(a)census.gov; GEO PSAP (CENSUS/GEO) <geo.psap(a)census.gov>; Graham, Todd <todd.graham(a)metc.state.mn.us> Subject: [Caution: Message contains Redirect URL content] Re: [State Data Centers] PSAP -- Other criteria or principles for delineation? I wrote a paper about this 20 years ago; I'll be happy to send it to anyone who asks. In general, I think tract boundaries should be something - usually streets but sometimes water - that local people recognize as being a divider. Freeways are the highest priority, since they're difficult to cross. Then major arterial streets/roads. I also believe, and have said many times, that continuity is a shibboleth. That is, it's something everything thinks is of highest importance, but it really isn't. Good tracts for now and the future are more important. I almost completely retracted Detroit before the 1980 census, because when the tracts had originally been drawn -- after the 1930 census -- no one understood their purpose, plus the city had changed enormously with new freeways and urban renewal. I also use housing units rather than population counts as a size criterion. The ideal tract has about 1500 HUs. My reason for using HU counts is twofold: (1) the data are readily available, while pop counts are not, and (2) the sampling errors for ACS data ride on cases, which are households, not people. Hope this is helpful. Patty Becker [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-anima… Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_s… On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:14 PM Reardon, Tim <TReardon(a)mapc.org<mailto:TReardon(a)mapc.org>> wrote: Hi all, I imagine many of us are busy diving into GUPS and getting started with the delineation work. Obviously there are specific Census-defined thresholds for each type of statistical areas, but I’m curious to know if there are other criteria or principles that folks are using as they consider possible adjustments. Historical continuity aside, what makes for a good block group or tract? Should we seek to minimize heterogeneity by drawing boundaries that separate very different neighborhoods/sub-neighborhoods? Or is it better to have block groups/tracts that include a more diverse set of households and residents? I would imagine that the approach taken to these questions will affect not only the confidence intervals of the resulting ACS tables, but also the results of whatever research uses those tables. Any opinions or literature references on this topic would be most welcome! Tim Reardon Data Services Director Metropolitan Area Planning Council, Boston From: Graham, Todd [mailto:todd.graham(a)metc.state.mn.us<mailto:todd.graham(a)metc.state.mn.us>] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 1:10 PM To: sdc_mlist(a)lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:sdc_mlist(a)lists.berkeley.edu>; ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net> Cc: joshua.wixom(a)census.gov<mailto:joshua.wixom(a)census.gov>; GEO PSAP (CENSUS/GEO) <geo.psap(a)census.gov<mailto:geo.psap(a)census.gov>> Subject: [State Data Centers] PSAP participants in every county: https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/partnerships/psap/Primary_PSAP_Participant… Hi friends of Census Tracts— If it’s useful to you… Census Bureau has published a contacts list of 2020 Census PSAP participating agencies, here: https://www2.census.gov/geo/pdfs/partnerships/psap/Primary_PSAP_Participant… This list covers every county in the nation. If the listing for your county points to an erroneous agency or a nonworking phone number/email, I suggest you alert Census’s Geog Division: geo.psap(a)census.gov<mailto:geo.psap(a)census.gov> By the way, our office, Metropolitan Council of the Twin Cities, has a few upcoming meetings where we’ll be describing our review, validation and redrawing of Census Tracts and Block Groups. We are well into the preliminary work. Starting in March we will be pointing interested stakeholders to preliminary, proposed re-tracting for our 7-county region. And we will be inviting stakeholders to comment or express their needs for Census stats tabulations for sub-city zones, service areas, etc. We will consider whether those needs can possibly be met with 2020-vintage Tracts and Block Groups. It’s possible we may receive some comments from outside of our region. 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