A question has come as to whether employed students living in dormitories are included in the 2006-10 CTPP JTW tables.
Researching the question, I found the following on p. 66 of the 2013 ACS Subject Definitions document, under the definition of employed persons (http://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/tech_docs/subject_definitions/2…):
Beginning in 2006, the population in group quarters (GQ) is included in the ACS. Some types of GQ populations have employment status distributions that are different from the household population. All institutionalized people are placed in the "not in labor force category." The inclusion of the GQ population could therefore have a noticeable impact on the employment status distribution. This is particularly true for areas with a substantial GQ population. For example, in areas having a large state prison population, the employment rate would be expected to decrease because the base of the percentage, which now includes the population in correctional institutions, is larger.
I interpret this to mean that dorm residents, as noninstitutionalized group quarters residents, are included in CTPP statistics but want to confirm that my understanding is correct.
My follow up question concerns the 1990 and 2000 JTW tables. Were employed dormitory residents (ie, noninstitutionalized group quarters residents) included in those statistics? My recollection is that is not the case but I want to confirm that is correct.
Thanks
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Sorry to be a crank and perhaps it is because I am personally sandwiched
between these two generations and sick of hearing about them both...
Interesting statistics but why compare an older age group with a younger
age group and then place a generational label. I am afraid that,
without some context, folks are going to make conclusions that might be
more about age differences (an age group at the height of their career
vs. an age group at the beginning)? Generational (cohort) comparisons
would be more appropriate if you could compare the Baby boom when they
were young to the millenials at the same age. Not saying there are not
differences but I am afraid that these side by side comparisons would
lead some (the press) to draw conclusions that are beyond what can be
told from the data.
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On 8/13/2015 1:46 PM, Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov wrote:
>
> In case you haven’t seen these, we posted new profile sheets that use
> the 2006-2008 ACS and the 2011-2013 ACS Public Use Microdata Sample.
>
> In these profiles, Baby Boomers are defined as those born between 1946
> and 1964, and Millennials are defined as those born between 1983 and
> 2000.
>
> For the 2006-2008 ACS, many of the Millennials were not yet of working
> age.
>
> The geography is limited only to those Counties for which PUMA
> geography has matching boundaries.
>
> http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/census_issues/american_community_survey/pr…
>
>
> I have seen some recent forecasts about declining gasoline prices, so
> we will see how this impacts the mode to work and auto ownership for
> younger workers in the near future.
>
> Elaine Murakami
>
> FHWA Office of Planning
>
> 206-220-4460 (in Seattle)
>
>
>
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Hi Krishnan –
Since the presentation is about Smartphones and NOT CTPP, I’ll send you a separate email and not clog up the CTPP listserv.
But thanks for asking about JSM in the first place!
Re: IRS. Yes, it is very difficult to get permission to use IRS records, but the Census Bureau has an agreement, which is why Amy O’Hara and Alison Fields did the presentation I mentioned. Let’s find out more about their research!
Elaine
From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Krishnan Viswanathan
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 3:21 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: Re: [CTPP] JSM
Hi Elaine
Thanks for the JSM update. I am curious to learn about the smartphone app and data that you presented on. Is it something that you can share with us? Also, WRT tax records there was a huge study done by Harvard which uses tax records (http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/) to look at inter-genertional mobility. So the question that naturally arises is how can Federal agencies such as FHWA get access to such data which will help explore the resident side that Ed mentioned in his email. Past experience trying to get access to such data is not very encouraging.
Krishnan
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 5:51 PM Ed Christopher <edc(a)berwyned.com<mailto:edc(a)berwyned.com>> wrote:
Thanks Elaine--I hope we get to hear more about the tax records work. I am hoping it is dealing with IRS records and where we say we live and pay our taxes from. I know that LEHD uses IRS tax records for its origin (home) locations but that is something that we do not know much about. Do we live and start our journey to work at the same place we use for our tax home is one obvious question. We know a lot about QCEW and worker place data (the other half of LEHD) but we really do not know anything about the resident side.
Thanks for the update and I apologize for the digression.
On 8/13/2015 3:33 PM, Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov<mailto:Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov> wrote:
Hi Krishnan and anyone else who is interested! I had the BEST time at my one day (Aug 10) at the Joint Statistical Meetings. JSM includes many organizations including the American Statistical Association (ASA). 6000 statisticians at the Seattle Convention Center. It is like TRB for statisticians. ☺
My presentation was about using aggregate cellphone data and the test of the RMove Smartphone app in Indiana. Thank you to everyone (Sumit Bindra, Leta Huntsinger, Xian-Biao Hu, Christina Barrone and Elizabeth Greene ) whose information I used in my presentation, which was mostly drawn from the TRB Planning Applications conference and the American Planning Association conference! I had hoped to talk about the NCHRP 08-95 project on cell phone data, but that project is running 1 year behind.
CB staff (Amy O’Hara and Alison Fields) did a presentation about using tax records to examine “mobility.” I missed the presentation because it was first thing on Monday morning, but Amy will send me a copy of the presentation. Their research is not yet final.
The session (session 158) on interactive graphics with R was very fun but I could not stay the entire time. Here are some of the R library names: (animint) (plotly) (ggplotly) and (gridSVG). One key person with R code and involved with ASA is Carson Sievert from Iowa State. WOW! This is where I think we need to be going with big data mining and analysis.
Transportation Statistics Interest Group (TSIG). (This is an equivalent of a TRB Task Force before it becomes a full committee). TSIG will continue as an interest group and may promote up to a “section” in the future. Alan Karr from RTI is the current chair. They discussed putting together 2 sessions for next year’s JSM. Feng Guo VA Tech will lead one effort, and Pat Hu will work on another (administrative records). Please contact them feng.guo(a)vt.edu<mailto:feng.guo(a)vt.edu> patricia.hu(a)dot.gov<mailto:patricia.hu(a)dot.gov> if you are interested in being a speaker.
I would have liked to attend these, but since I only had one-day registration, did not.
Session 516 on Wed. was “utilizing Administrative Records and Adaptive Design in the 2020 Census”.
Session 541 on Wed – Cynthia Bland Augustine from RTI (member of TRB ABJ40) discussed “GeoSampling Weights and Design Effects”
Session 593 on Wed – was on using the Census Bureau’s Planning Database. (see the attachment of the people who presented). I think this is a potential resource for assisting in regional and statewide surveys to better estimate low response and plan, in advance, for different recruitment or sampling design.
Elaine
From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Krishnan Viswanathan
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:18 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net>
Subject: [CTPP] JSM
Elaine & (others who attended)
Anything interesting from the JSM that pertains to transportation? Look forward to hearing from take on how it went & what we should look to in terms of data, methods, etc.
Krishnan
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Our study (emailed to CTPP last night) covers, and measures, all generations from the Lost Generation to Millennials.
From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Lindeman, Nicholas (MPO)
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 1:03 PM
To: 'ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net'
Subject: Re: [CTPP] more on journey to work and Millennials
<Crank on>
As I'm sure you're all aware, an entire generation exists between the Boomers and the Y's - but the bulk of generational analysis I've seen in recent years tends to focus on only on those two generations. It's like those of us in GenX don't even exist.
I know we aren't as numerous as Boomers or Y's, but to leave us out generational discussions entirely paints an incomplete picture of issues like commuting habits.
<Crank off>
Nicholas J. Lindeman | Economic & Systems Data Analyst
Nashville Area Metropolitan Planning Organization
800 Second Ave. South | P.O. Box 196300 | Nashville, TN 37219
615.862.7198
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From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov<mailto:Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:47 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net>
Subject: [CTPP] more on journey to work and Millennials
In case you haven't seen these, we posted new profile sheets that use the 2006-2008 ACS and the 2011-2013 ACS Public Use Microdata Sample.
In these profiles, Baby Boomers are defined as those born between 1946 and 1964, and Millennials are defined as those born between 1983 and 2000.
For the 2006-2008 ACS, many of the Millennials were not yet of working age.
The geography is limited only to those Counties for which PUMA geography has matching boundaries.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/census_issues/american_community_survey/pr…
I have seen some recent forecasts about declining gasoline prices, so we will see how this impacts the mode to work and auto ownership for younger workers in the near future.
Elaine Murakami
FHWA Office of Planning
206-220-4460 (in Seattle)
<Crank on>
As I'm sure you're all aware, an entire generation exists between the Boomers and the Y's - but the bulk of generational analysis I've seen in recent years tends to focus on only on those two generations. It's like those of us in GenX don't even exist.
I know we aren't as numerous as Boomers or Y's, but to leave us out generational discussions entirely paints an incomplete picture of issues like commuting habits.
<Crank off>
Nicholas J. Lindeman | Economic & Systems Data Analyst
Nashville Area Metropolitan Planning Organization
800 Second Ave. South | P.O. Box 196300 | Nashville, TN 37219
615.862.7198
lindeman(a)nashvillempo.org<mailto:lindeman(a)nashvillempo.org> | nashvillempo.org
From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 1:47 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: [CTPP] more on journey to work and Millennials
In case you haven't seen these, we posted new profile sheets that use the 2006-2008 ACS and the 2011-2013 ACS Public Use Microdata Sample.
In these profiles, Baby Boomers are defined as those born between 1946 and 1964, and Millennials are defined as those born between 1983 and 2000.
For the 2006-2008 ACS, many of the Millennials were not yet of working age.
The geography is limited only to those Counties for which PUMA geography has matching boundaries.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/census_issues/american_community_survey/pr…
I have seen some recent forecasts about declining gasoline prices, so we will see how this impacts the mode to work and auto ownership for younger workers in the near future.
Elaine Murakami
FHWA Office of Planning
206-220-4460 (in Seattle)
Thanks Elaine--I hope we get to hear more about the tax records work. I
am hoping it is dealing with IRS records and where we say we live and
pay our taxes from. I know that LEHD uses IRS tax records for its
origin (home) locations but that is something that we do not know much
about. Do we live and start our journey to work at the same place we
use for our tax home is one obvious question. We know a lot about QCEW
and worker place data (the other half of LEHD) but we really do not know
anything about the resident side.
Thanks for the update and I apologize for the digression.
On 8/13/2015 3:33 PM, Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov wrote:
>
> Hi Krishnan and anyone else who is interested! I had the BEST time at
> my one day (Aug 10) at the Joint Statistical Meetings. JSM includes
> many organizations including the American Statistical Association
> (ASA). 6000 statisticians at the Seattle Convention Center. It is
> like TRB for statisticians. J
>
> My presentation was about using aggregate cellphone data and the test
> of the RMove Smartphone app in Indiana. Thank you to everyone (Sumit
> Bindra, Leta Huntsinger, Xian-Biao Hu, Christina Barrone and Elizabeth
> Greene ) whose information I used in my presentation, which was mostly
> drawn from the TRB Planning Applications conference and the American
> Planning Association conference! I had hoped to talk about the NCHRP
> 08-95 project on cell phone data, but that project is running 1 year
> behind.
>
> CB staff (Amy O’Hara and Alison Fields) did a presentation about using
> tax records to examine “mobility.” I missed the presentation because
> it was first thing on Monday morning, but Amy will send me a copy of
> the presentation. Their research is not yet final.
>
> The session (session 158) on interactive graphics with R was very fun
> but I could not stay the entire time. Here are some of the R
> library names: (animint) (plotly) (ggplotly) and (gridSVG). One key
> person with R code and involved with ASA is Carson Sievert from Iowa
> State. WOW! This is where I think we need to be going with big
> data mining and analysis.
>
> Transportation Statistics Interest Group (TSIG). (This is an
> equivalent of a TRB Task Force before it becomes a full committee).
> TSIG will continue as an interest group and may promote up to a
> “section” in the future. Alan Karr from RTI is the current chair.
> They discussed putting together 2 sessions for next year’s JSM. Feng
> Guo VA Tech will lead one effort, and Pat Hu will work on another
> (administrative records). Please contact them feng.guo(a)vt.edu
> <mailto:feng.guo(a)vt.edu> patricia.hu(a)dot.gov
> <mailto:patricia.hu(a)dot.gov> if you are interested in being a speaker.
>
> I would have liked to attend these, but since I only had one-day
> registration, did not.
>
> Session 516 on Wed. was “utilizing Administrative Records and
> Adaptive Design in the 2020 Census”.
>
> Session 541 on Wed – Cynthia Bland Augustine from RTI (member of TRB
> ABJ40) discussed “GeoSampling Weights and Design Effects”
>
> Session 593 on Wed – was on using the Census Bureau’s Planning
> Database. (see the attachment of the people who presented). I
> think this is a potential resource for assisting in regional and
> statewide surveys to better estimate low response and plan, in
> advance, for different recruitment or sampling design.
>
> Elaine
>
> *From:*ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net
> [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] *On Behalf Of *Krishnan Viswanathan
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:18 PM
> *To:* ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
> *Subject:* [CTPP] JSM
>
> Elaine & (others who attended)
>
> Anything interesting from the JSM that pertains to transportation?
> Look forward to hearing from take on how it went & what we should look
> to in terms of data, methods, etc.
>
> Krishnan
>
>
>
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Hi Krishnan and anyone else who is interested! I had the BEST time at my one day (Aug 10) at the Joint Statistical Meetings. JSM includes many organizations including the American Statistical Association (ASA). 6000 statisticians at the Seattle Convention Center. It is like TRB for statisticians. ☺
My presentation was about using aggregate cellphone data and the test of the RMove Smartphone app in Indiana. Thank you to everyone (Sumit Bindra, Leta Huntsinger, Xian-Biao Hu, Christina Barrone and Elizabeth Greene ) whose information I used in my presentation, which was mostly drawn from the TRB Planning Applications conference and the American Planning Association conference! I had hoped to talk about the NCHRP 08-95 project on cell phone data, but that project is running 1 year behind.
CB staff (Amy O’Hara and Alison Fields) did a presentation about using tax records to examine “mobility.” I missed the presentation because it was first thing on Monday morning, but Amy will send me a copy of the presentation. Their research is not yet final.
The session (session 158) on interactive graphics with R was very fun but I could not stay the entire time. Here are some of the R library names: (animint) (plotly) (ggplotly) and (gridSVG). One key person with R code and involved with ASA is Carson Sievert from Iowa State. WOW! This is where I think we need to be going with big data mining and analysis.
Transportation Statistics Interest Group (TSIG). (This is an equivalent of a TRB Task Force before it becomes a full committee). TSIG will continue as an interest group and may promote up to a “section” in the future. Alan Karr from RTI is the current chair. They discussed putting together 2 sessions for next year’s JSM. Feng Guo VA Tech will lead one effort, and Pat Hu will work on another (administrative records). Please contact them feng.guo(a)vt.edu<mailto:feng.guo(a)vt.edu> patricia.hu(a)dot.gov<mailto:patricia.hu(a)dot.gov> if you are interested in being a speaker.
I would have liked to attend these, but since I only had one-day registration, did not.
Session 516 on Wed. was “utilizing Administrative Records and Adaptive Design in the 2020 Census”.
Session 541 on Wed – Cynthia Bland Augustine from RTI (member of TRB ABJ40) discussed “GeoSampling Weights and Design Effects”
Session 593 on Wed – was on using the Census Bureau’s Planning Database. (see the attachment of the people who presented). I think this is a potential resource for assisting in regional and statewide surveys to better estimate low response and plan, in advance, for different recruitment or sampling design.
Elaine
From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Krishnan Viswanathan
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 12:18 PM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: [CTPP] JSM
Elaine & (others who attended)
Anything interesting from the JSM that pertains to transportation? Look forward to hearing from take on how it went & what we should look to in terms of data, methods, etc.
Krishnan
Thank you very much Elaine,
Is there any way for us to make the PUMA geography match the boundary for San Luis Obispo County?
Mike Harmon
San Luis Obispo Council of Governments
From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 11:47 AM
To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net
Subject: [CTPP] more on journey to work and Millennials
In case you haven't seen these, we posted new profile sheets that use the 2006-2008 ACS and the 2011-2013 ACS Public Use Microdata Sample.
In these profiles, Baby Boomers are defined as those born between 1946 and 1964, and Millennials are defined as those born between 1983 and 2000.
For the 2006-2008 ACS, many of the Millennials were not yet of working age.
The geography is limited only to those Counties for which PUMA geography has matching boundaries.
http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/planning/census_issues/american_community_survey/pr…
I have seen some recent forecasts about declining gasoline prices, so we will see how this impacts the mode to work and auto ownership for younger workers in the near future.
Elaine Murakami
FHWA Office of Planning
206-220-4460 (in Seattle)
Elaine & (others who attended)
Anything interesting from the JSM that pertains to transportation? Look
forward to hearing from take on how it went & what we should look to in
terms of data, methods, etc.
Krishnan
