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Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by Patricia Becker

You get population but no housing when the entire population is in group quarters. Leave the GQ out of the vehicles per household calculation, although it is definitely possible that people in college GQ have vehicles. Since you're in Michigan, if you'd like me to help you some more, give me a call at 248-354-6520. Patty Becker On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org < hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org> wrote: > If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how can CB put > population number but no houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly > (20-30 samples), the CB block level data is correct or close, census block > said 12 houses and my parcel data shows the same number. > > I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for > calculating number of vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and > address removed) vehicle registrations only zip for location). University, > Colleges are not included (special generators). I just found out strange > campus population at block level and I'm wondering the implications. > > For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high > population (dorms) and it is wrong. > > Hary > > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM, <Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov> wrote: > >> Hary – do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in >> the wrong location? Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Elaine Murakami**** >> >> 206-220-4460**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto: >> ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] *On Behalf Of *hprawiranata mitcrpc.org >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM >> *To:* ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net >> *Subject:* [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 >> but this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their >> parents), 10,688.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block >> result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd >> but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or >> a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of >> people live at MSU tunnel.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census >> 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on >> campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the >> nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Any comments ?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hary**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ctpp-news mailing list >> ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net >> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > ctpp-news mailing list > ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net > http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news > > -- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 office: 248-354-6520 home:248-355-2428 pbecker(a)umich.edu

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Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by Ali Bonakdar

I was wondering if you knew that the Census counts dormitory population as Group Quarters, the same as prison population, army barracks, manors and so forth.. Ali Bonakdar, AICP Director Corvallis Area Metropolitan Planning Organization 301 SW. 4th Street, #240 Corvallis, OR 97333 Ph: (541) 758-1911 Fax: (541) 758-1903 Email: abonakda(a)ocwcog.org<mailto:abonakda(a)ocwcog.org> Web: www.corvallisareampo.org<http://www.corvallisareampo.org/> Note: Per the applicable federal and state laws, all correspondence is public information. From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of Patricia Becker Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 11:52 AM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ? It may be that all the dorms got geocoded to the University's residence hall office. Wouldn't be the first time that happened. Extremely annoying! Patty Becker On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:43 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org<http://mitcrpc.org> <hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org<mailto:hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org>> wrote: I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688. And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel. If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall system !) Any comments ? Hary _______________________________________________ ctpp-news mailing list ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net<mailto:ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net> http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news -- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 office: 248-354-6520 home:248-355-2428 pbecker(a)umich.edu<mailto:pbecker(a)umich.edu>

12 years, 2 months

Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by hprawiranata mitcrpc.org

If you see on my screenshot (table on the right), how can CB put population number but no houses ? On residential areas I checked randomly (20-30 samples), the CB block level data is correct or close, census block said 12 houses and my parcel data shows the same number. I have to create new aggregate based on zip from block data for calculating number of vehicle per household (I got sanitized (name and address removed) vehicle registrations only zip for location). University, Colleges are not included (special generators). I just found out strange campus population at block level and I'm wondering the implications. For block group (wide campus area), it does not include block with high population (dorms) and it is wrong. Hary On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:23 PM, <Elaine.Murakami(a)dot.gov> wrote: > Hary – do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in > the wrong location? Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups?**** > > ** ** > > Elaine Murakami**** > > 206-220-4460**** > > ** ** > > *From:* ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto: > ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] *On Behalf Of *hprawiranata mitcrpc.org > *Sent:* Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM > *To:* ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net > *Subject:* [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?**** > > ** ** > > I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but > this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), > 10,688.**** > > ** ** > > And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block > result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd > but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or > a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of > people live at MSU tunnel.**** > > ** ** > > If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census > 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on > campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the > nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !)**** > > ** ** > > Any comments ?**** > > ** ** > > Hary**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > ctpp-news mailing list > ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net > http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news > >

12 years, 2 months

Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by Elaine.Murakami＠dot.gov

Hary - do you think that the Census Bureau put the 25 dormitories in the wrong location? Did you look at nearby blocks and block groups? Elaine Murakami 206-220-4460 From: ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net [mailto:ctpp-news-bounces(a)chrispy.net] On Behalf Of hprawiranata mitcrpc.org Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:43 PM To: ctpp-news(a)chrispy.net Subject: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ? I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688. And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel. If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation's largest single-campus residence hall system !) Any comments ? Hary

12 years, 2 months

Re: [CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by Patricia Becker

It may be that all the dorms got geocoded to the University's residence hall office. Wouldn't be the first time that happened. Extremely annoying! Patty Becker On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 4:43 PM, hprawiranata mitcrpc.org < hprawiranata(a)mitcrpc.org> wrote: > I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but > this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), > 10,688. > > And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block > result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd > but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or > a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of > people live at MSU tunnel. > > If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census > 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on > campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the > nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !) > > Any comments ? > > Hary > > > > _______________________________________________ > ctpp-news mailing list > ctpp-news(a)ryoko.chrispy.net > http://ryoko.chrispy.net/mailman/listinfo/ctpp-news > > -- Patricia C. (Patty) Becker APB Associates/Southeast Michigan Census Council (SEMCC) 28300 Franklin Rd, Southfield, MI 48034 office: 248-354-6520 home:248-355-2428 pbecker(a)umich.edu

12 years, 2 months

[CTPP] I did not make Google Talk invitation!

by hprawiranata mitcrpc.org

I did not make Google Talk invitation to everyone here! This is the problem when our office is using Gmail system and Google take over my email. Sorry, Hary

12 years, 2 months

[CTPP] Training Opportunity June 20, 2:30 eastern - CTPP Webinar - Snapshot 2013

by Weinberger

Hi All, Have you been wondering what your good friends over at the Census Transportation Planning Products Program have been doing lately? Well here is your opportunity to find out! The CTPP is hosting a webinar in anticipation of releasing our new data set in August 2013. This webinar will cover many interesting topics such as: Introduction to the current CTPP - Clara Reschovsky, MWCOG - CTPP Oversight Board member An overview of the CTPP program including current status, funding, outlook Data - Penelope Weinberger, AASHTO CTPP Program Manager with Liang Long, Cambridge Systematics Data products available from the program now, what's coming in the near future Training - Ed Christopher - FHWA Resource Center Training, what's available, how to get it Current Research - Phil Mescher, IA DOT - CTPP Oversight Board member research undertaken by the program you must (and may) register for this webinar, capacity is limited to 200, you may use voice over IP to participate, a phone number will also be provided. This webinar will be recorded for future viewing. This webinar may be eligible to provide AICP credit, we are working on that and will keep you posted. To register, go to: http://www.nhi.fhwa.dot.gov/resources/webconference/web_conf_learner_reg.as… (you may have to copy and paste the whole link, if it breaks on your page) Penelope Z. Weinberger CTPP Program Manager AASHTO 202-624-3556 ctpp.transportation.org

12 years, 2 months

[CTPP] Census 2010 - student count ?

by hprawiranata mitcrpc.org

I have not checked other campus area population counted by census 2010 but this number is very large (and hope not double counted by their parents), 10,688. And there are only 3 houses on the campus area based on the census block result, I know: 1 president's house, 1 chapel , and... don't know the 3rd but there are 25 dorms not counted. And the house location is not right, or a block with population data but no house... as my boss said, a lot of people live at MSU tunnel. If attachment is not allowed: zip code 48825, MSU campus area on census 2010, total block population: 10688, number of houses:3 .. and based on campus data students live on campus (residence hall) is about 15000 (the nation’s largest single-campus residence hall system !) Any comments ? Hary

12 years, 2 months

[CTPP] hprawiranata has invited you to use Google Talk

by hprawiranata mitcrpc.org

------------------------------------------------------------------------ hprawiranata has invited you to sign up for Google Talk so you can talk to each other for free over your computers. To sign-up, go to: http://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=talk&sendvemail=true&skip… Google Talk is a downloadable Windows* application that offers: - Free calls over your computer anytime, from anywhere, and for as long as you want - A simple and intuitive user interface for sending instant messages or making calls--no clutter, pop-ups or ads - Superior voice quality through just a microphone and computer speaker - Fast file transfers with no restrictions on file type After signing-up, download Google Talk and sign in with your new Google Account username and password. You can then begin inviting anyone you want to talk to for free. Google Talk works with any computer speaker and microphone, such as the ones built-in to many PC laptops today, as well as with wired and wireless headsets and USB phones. Google Talk also works across all firewalls. Google Talk is still in beta. Just like with Gmail, we're working hard to add features and make improvements, so we might also ask for your comments and suggestions periodically. We appreciate your help in making it even better! Thanks, The Google Talk Team To learn more about Google Talk before signing up, visit: http://www.google.com/talk/about.html (If clicking the URLs in this message does not work, copy and paste them into the address bar of your browser). * Not a Windows user? No problem. You can also connect to the Google Talk service from any platform using third-party clients (http://www.google.com/talk/otherclients.html).

12 years, 2 months

[CTPP] ACS: The Means of Transportation Question

by Ken.Cervenka＠dot.gov

Hello again! Rather than summarize all previous listserv emails and off-line discussions on this topic, I will instead present the latest set of desired changes to the three “rail transit” categories: __ Rail: light rail, streetcar, or trolley (a change from the current “Streetcar or trolley car”) __ Rail: subway or elevated (a change from the current “Subway or elevated”) __ Rail: commuter or long-distance railroad (a change from the current “Railroad”) I can’t state these are “official U.S. DOT recommendations” just yet, but we will need to either come to this decision in early June or identify something else (or just “give up” again, which is not what anyone of us want to do!) Other changes (e.g., additional transit and non-transit mode groups, some type of “list all modes used” question, a switch from the “usual” specification, etc. etc.) do have merit, but there is a strong consensus that adding complexity to a U.S. DOT recommendation could jeopardize the opportunity for ANY changes to be subjected to a formal “content change” test. I should also note that even if this is approved for a formal “content change” test, we don’t yet know, of course, the findings from those tests. If you work for a transit agency that operates multiple rail modes (or at least a “light rail” mode), or an MPO that covers a region with multiple rail modes, and you see value in your future planning if these changes were implemented, please send me an email (Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov<mailto:Ken.Cervenka(a)dot.gov>), or give me a call early next week (202/493-0512) and I will let you know how your interests can be recognized. For those who may want to review the full ACS question, with the proposed changes to the three “rail transit” modes included, I am showing below. ************************ 31. How did this person usually get to work LAST WEEK? If this person usually used more than one method of transportation during the trip, mark (X) the box of the one used for most of the distance. __ Car, truck, or van __ Bus or trolley bus __ Rail: light rail, streetcar, or trolley __ Rail: subway or elevated __ Rail: commuter or long-distance railroad __ Ferryboat __ Taxicab __ Motorcycle __ Bicycle __ Walked __ Worked at home __ Other method Ken Cervenka FTA Office of Planning and Environment 202/493-0512 p.s., I am sure everyone knows that Memorial Day is Monday, and let’s not ever under-estimate the value of the personal sacrifices that have been made.

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